heard on NPR........

[SHATOUSHKA]

or maybe a better title to this thread would be:


"HA HA, I TOLD YOU SO... YOU CORN-FED, IDIOTIC
PROPAGANDA LOVERS!!!!"


*ahem*


so apparently bush is now conceding to the
fact that we (the US) never had ANY evidence
that iraq had WMDs.... but because of the
war... bush is urging everyone to change
the history books to reflect his course of
action (the war) as being a 'deterent' to
WMDs.....

in layman's terms... bush fucked up...
they all did. there is no evidence iraq
had any WMDs... but now that they have
gotten their man... (for whatever REAL
purpose)... they are now back-tracking
and wanting history to reflect that iraq
had the POTENTIAL for WMDs.....


doesn't this strike anyone (but me) as funny?

doesn't this send a little red flag to your brain?!

#1 -- bush failed to listen to reason when
reason was offered (back before this whole
war thing). in fact, anyone against the
opinions of bush (and fox news) seemed almosted
silenced.

silenced in that eerie, paranoid way....
you know, like back when they thought you
were a commie because you checked your mailbox
on a sunday or some gay shit.

#2 -- now bush is urging everyone to forget
what REALLY happened and to convince yourself
that it was a preemtive strike... NOT against
terrorism (as previously stuffed down our
throats...) but against WMDs....

what kind of backwards bullshit is this?
does anyone think that the INTELLIGENT people
of the world is going to fall for yet another
badly constructed bush-ploy?

not i, said the hare....


#3 -- wtf is being done with saddam?
since bush/powell has admitted to the *cough*error*cough*
are they still going to keep him prisoner?
on what grounds?

previously it was because of his tyranny
and oppressive nature toward his own people.
but with the ever-present ploy about WMDs...
it would contradict the current scheme if
he held saddam for any reason OTHER than
WMDs.

#4 -- what does 'potential' mean anyway??
doesn't ANY contry with the drive have the
potential???
if bush/powell is claiming that we had a
right to storm iraq on the notion of POTENTIAL
WMDs... shouldn't <s>the UN</s> bush press
to have ALL countries examined/contronted/terrorized?

*********

and to those people that bashed me back in
the day....

those same people that blindly followed some demi-god
stranger into a cataclysmic detonation of REAL
tyranny...

to those people that get their news from
the backs of cereal boxes, tabloids, and
commercials between FRIENDS reruns....

.


.


<font size="30">EAT ME!!!!!</font>

.
so what are you going to do now that your
father god has changed his plea? where once
you defended his INSANE actions of vengeful,
cruel, unmerciless power because you felt
scared and touchable and wanted some hero
to protect you....

well now he's changed directions AGAINST your
original stance. so now what? will you follow?


...............

meanwhile.... back in korea..........

[TastinGood]

I believe we all know your stance concerning GW and I certainly would never say (and havent said) that the war against Iraq was justified in any form or fashion.

IMDAO, Bush went to war for one of two reasons:

1 - For obvious personal/business reasons/vendettas

or

2 - Reasons that mere US citizens will never have knowledge about because it shall forever be classified

If the former is true then it was truly a reprehensible action that simply should not be tolerated in this day and age.

If the latter is true, then we'll forever be left wondering.

The discouraging thing is that all signs seem to point towards #1.

On a related yet seperate topic however, I do wonder...how did you feel when Clinton was bombing Baghdad or Afghanistan or any of the US-NATO bombings in the late 90's? He was met with a good deal of resistance (although not as much as GW) but thanks to a BJ in the oval office, most of the news stories hovered over the definition of sex.

I know that you might think I'm trying to be an ass or attempt to show hypocrisy or something but I can assure you that I'm not. I'm just generally interested in hearing your opinion on that topic as well.

One thing that I must disagree with you on is:
"in fact, anyone against the
opinions of bush (and fox news) seemed almosted
silenced. "

From most of the newsmedia coverage, journalists and hosts that I've seen, the majority of them heavily opposed the actions of G Dub. It kinda surprises me to hear you say that many were silenced when I would easily say that most show hosts and on-air radio personalities that I heard agreed with your stance 100% (at least those that were in a position to present their feelings on the matter).


I read some articles concerning Bush and Powell and the "intent" and yes...it's bullshit. For ANYONE to buy it or not see that their original publicly announced intent and and their newfound "deterrent" system are so totally different would be insane.

You would think that they would have learned something from Wag the Dog. Never change horses in midstream!

[TastinGood]

And Korea...yeah they have potential to make some waves but China is the one to really watch.

They have gone under the radar (comparatively speaking) and are slowly but surely building up capabilities to be a powerhouse nation.

[SHATOUSHKA]

#1 -- evidently you failed to understand what i
meant when i said 'silenced'.

#2 -- in the early-mid 90s i was either drunk,
drugged, or both... nothing else existed

#3 -- my point is NOT about bush/powell or the
war. my point was about propaganda, the blind
public, hypocrisy, and change.

this is evidence that we are living on the outskirts
of 1984... history changes at whim

#4 -- screw china... they are desperate for
a better economy and are surviving and making
a killing on our support. korea has will.....

[Trampis]

First off,Iraq did have WMD's,if you define poisen gas as WMD,ask the Kurds.

Second,I think there was a lot more to going to war with Iraq then WMDs and business decisions.Iraq was a country that harbored terrorists and had a dictator that tortured his own people.

I think a clear message has been sent to the middleeast and the rest of the worlds leaders that we will not tollerate terrorism.The US attacking Iraq has to be lingering in the minds of any countries leader if hes thinking of directly or indirectly being involved in the deaths of Americans.Screw with the US and we will retaliate.Admididly Iraq was an easy target for that message,but the message was sent.

I dont think Bush is trying to rewrite intent.I think the Bush administration is giving the impresion that the intelligence of wmd's was bad.They're looking into it right now. I think there was plenty of reasons to go to war besides wmd's.

[zelazny]

The whole show with the big monkey waving a flag and the little monkeys following them would be so much more fun if afterward, i could stand up, applaud the guy with the monkey puppets and go home to real life.

[wildnthewind]

Trampis.. The Iranians as well... Get real folks the man had plenty of time to discard or send to another country... Do some research..

Questions.. Were we in the right to go into Afghanistan,Kuwait,Central America? Stop the tyranny? Fly into Libya?

History is re-written daily.

We did what no other county had the balls to do with the 'ception of those who followed us..

Count your blessin's that you live and were born here, for I was not!!

Don't mean no disrespect guys I'm on a rant.

I've seen the horror of war and it's splendor.

[SHATOUSHKA]

Originally posted by wildnthewind:
We did what no other county had the balls to do with the 'ception of those who followed us...

<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">this is precisely the type of propaganda vomit i'm
referring to. naturally anyone can think what they
want, i don't really care. however, that was last
week's propaganda.... time to get with it, wind!

this week's propaganda phrase is: "well they
had POTENTIAL"

[PNSONR]

<font color="#000000" size="1">[ February 04, 2004 09:48 PM: Message edited by: unpatriotic ]</font>

[SHATOUSHKA]

nah... thats wrong too. we are not obligated to
vote.... which clearly executes one of my rights
as being an american.

its funny to me that most (patriotic) americans
fail to see that.

besides, by not voting i am expressing my discontent
with the voting system. why play into it if i
dislike it?

but seriously, why is it commonplace to brag
about the freedoms of america and then persecute
those that choose to live it under the same
rules?

i have a choice to vote. voting is not obligatory.
if voting were obligatory, we'd be no different
than iraq.

i suggest we think before we post, eh?